[How To] Avoid Setsuki's Command Throw as Rook

Gameplay and Strategy
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Hey,

So at the moment, if a Setsuki playing throws a kunai, lands while I block the kunai, and then does her command throw (hooligan throw) and I’m playing as Rook, I lose. I’ve been told that I can jump out of it like any command throw in the game, but I’ve only managed to do so successfully like one out of ten times.

Ideally, someone could post a video of them jumping out of it after kunai as Rook, so that I can understand the timing. Failing that, if someone could try to describe in words the timing? Because right now it feels like no matter when I jump, I end up getting thrown. Do you need to jump when she’s (1) on her way up, (2) at the top of her jump, or (3) on her way down?

Thanks.

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I’ve also felt like that I jumped after blocking and then I get hooliganed
is the blockstun too long for me to jump out?

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Have you tried his lunge punch? Not sure of the exact frames, but I think it becomes throw invulnerable for a short time after the start up. I would have to test it to be 100% sure though.

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Theoretically, you’re command throw invulnerable during your prejump frames, and for a little bit on your way up.
To test, try frame-step mode in training mode. (I hear you activate it by pressing Shift+1, then frame step by pushing 1, or go a bit faster by holding backslash. You have to make sure it’s enabled in your debug.ini first)

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There’s no record function in training though, so I can’t make Setsuki throw me and test.

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You have player 2’s buttons bound, right? Just initiate the throw in frame step mode, then jump as Rook.

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So, regardless of the ease of jumping out of hooligan as rook, my question is why are you not using windmill crusher?

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That’s a good point. I think I’ve been scared off it just because the rest of her mix-up punishes C-throw so badly. Probably panic keeps me from reacting to it with C-throw. I’ll try to keep that button in mind.

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Fair point, for the curious, in that C is worse than it was last patch, specifically because Sets’ A, A will stuff C if you try to use it as a reversal after her usual combos, but I think it still beats everything starlight tumbler can dish out.

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that is exactly my problem. Today as rook i got owned by a sets taht would just glide+kunai+command throw me, and i could not find a window for escaping the combo. any suggestions?

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I still haven’t gone into practice mode to lab this out. Do you have enough time to press C after blocking the kunai?

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ime no. command throw is too slow, sets can combo off into almost killing you

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I agree in a lot of cases you don’t want to press it against Sets. I was just wondering if it worked against this specific set-up, right after blocking the kunai.

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(drake, looking away and frowning) trying to jump out of Setsuki’s command grab
(drake, smiling happily and pointing) using C-throw to punish Setsuki’s command grab

haven’t tried this after blocking kunai, which may not work, in which case (puppet kermit, screaming)

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How do you activate fram step mode?

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Can you beat it by predicting the kunai, jump and vine spin? If nothing else works would that be near to the only way out?

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To call out the kunai I find its much easier to just use your ground B to get out of there. It lets you pressure the landing too.

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